Anonymous asked: Not every character is going to make the cut. I dont see what the big deal is.
Okay, so I’m tired and have a headache so I’m not going to respond to this as in depth as I should, but let’s look at some facts:
There were 5 founding Avengers: Tony Stark, Thor, Bruce Banner (Hulk), Hank Pym, and Janet van Dyne (Cap wasn’t one of them, he didn’t show up until issue 4!). Of those 5 founding members, we have Tony Stark: 5 movies, 3 solos; Thor: 4 movies, 2 solos; Bruce Banner: 4 movies, 2 solos; and Hank Pym, 1 movie. Out of those 5 founding members, 1 of them is female. Out of those 5 founding members, 1 of them isn’t getting into a movie at all, much less their own movie.
OH WHOA THOSE TWO OVERLAP FOR SOME REASON?????????
Okay, so, whatever. Not everyone gets their own movie, right? Nevermind that Jan found Captain America, named the Avengers, is the reason Jocasta EXISTS, chairpersoned the team more times than I can honestly remember right now but at least 3 times, is #5 on the most important Marvel heroes list of all time (and would be number 1 if the Avengers voted on it, according to the list makers’ own admission). (Beating out, for the record: Hank Pym (7), Black Widow (10), Vision (6), Luke Cage (12), Beast (13), Quicksilver (14), Falcon (15), Hulk (18), Spider-Man (25), Iron Patriot (31), Havok (36), Ant Man (Scott Long, 46), Iron Fist (46), and Jessica Jones (49) ALL OF WHOM are getting big or small screen treatment before she is. Never mind ALL OF THAT.
They’re making an Ant Man movie, right? So okay, cool, obviously Ant Man is going to be in it. But which one? There’s two! Hank and Scott. Oh, turns out, they’re gonna do both.
So they didn’t cut either Ant Man, they’re shoehorning BOTH of them into one movie. Huh, okay, cool! Both of them made the cut, I guess. Biggest bang for their buck.
You know who isn’t making it into the movie at all? Well that’s kinda… weird. I mean, it seems relevant, you know? But hey, I guess not everybody is going to make the cut!
And Jan, right? She doesn’t matter. It’s not like she literally carried Hank through at least 5 breakdowns. It’s not like SHE’S the one who wanted to be a superhero in the first place and encouraged him to use his research for that. It’s not like SHE defeated Ultron HERSELF MULTIPLE TIMES. She’s definitely not relevant at all to Hank’s story. Oh, and even BETTER. Let’s just COMBINE these two women into one woman! Rather than give Hank a wife and partner who can support him, we’ll give him a daughter who… something. And rather than give Scott a daughter who will be his entire origin story, we’ll give him… Hank’s daughter?
Put all of that aside, seriously. Take EVERYTHING I just said and completely disregard it. You know why it’s bullshit Jan got cut? Because she’s a woman who is feminine and also kick butt. She’s a woman who can be ditzy and brilliantly cunning. She’s flighty and carefree while being a strong, commanding leader who wins the respect of everyone who works under her. She loves fashion AND punching bad guys in the face. She thinks being a hero is all fun and games until she learns responsibility and severity, but even then keeps her compassion and empathy. Jan is an important, DIFFERENT role model for men and women alike that the MCU HASN’T SEEN BEFORE. Hank and Scott, sorry to say, are characters WE HAVE SEEN BEFORE. Hank is a scientist who is tortured by his genius but feels the responsibility to do good with it. Been there, done that, bought the neck brace. Scott is a guy down on his luck just trying to hold it together for his family and gets sucked into a life of crime. Pretty sure I just summarized every show that has ever aired on AMC. But you know what Jan is? Jan is a female action star who isn’t either 1.) a prodigy child confused by her own powers, or 2.) a stone-cold ultra killer with the toughness of steel. Not that there’s anything WRONG with those archetypes: what’s wrong is that’s the ONLY TWO you see women satisfying in action movies (besides love interest, of course).
Full disclosure: out of all the MCU characters, I’m probably the most like Carol Danvers. But I LOVE JAN because she’s DIFFERENT. I think Jan might even be more important than Carol to get onto the big screen because she’s not just like one of the guys. She’s not tough in a masculine way. She has a pixie haircut and designs costumes and tries not to break a nail. But she does it while being a BRILLIANT leader and a FIERCE warrior. It’s something we NEED to show on screen. It’s something little girls and little boys NEED to know is possible. I sure would have benefited from it as a kid, at least.
That’s why you can’t just accept that Jan didn’t make the cut.
i haven’t been this angry in about two years
fun fact: i don’t actually have much of a temper. there are things that i don’t like, lots of them— and then there are things that piss me off, of which there are about three. if you round up.
but i have always, always told anyone who would listen that janet van dyne is one of the few things in this world that i will physically fight someone over. and it’s true. and i am actually so incredibly pissed off right now, because this? is not okay. off the top of my head i can think of like twelve different ways to make janet van dyne an actual existing fucking character who gets to fucking interact with the other avengers on the team that she was a central part in founding. it’s not that hard. this was a choice that they consciously made to brush off a really great lady character who let’s be honest deserves a movie more than ANY of the fucking ant-mans. and instead she’s getting maybe a mention? a flashback? i’m supposed to hope for that much— fucking table scraps. are you kidding me?
And yeah, this is a little nerd-ragey, but you know what? i just really, really wanted to see my fave interacting with my other faves. and instead she’s been wiped from the storyline entirely. great. thanks. feelin a little crushed here, but you know. whatever. i just wanted her to be there— a real character, not an easter egg or a hint; i didn’t even care if they changed a half dozen things about her character i just wanted her to be an avenger.
honestly, though? i’m not exactly surprised. they act like we’re pulling their fucking teeth about a black widow movie, excuse me kevin feige if it doesn’t “fit your vision”. IF we ever get black widow, you know, in the next fucking decade, who wants to bet that that would be it? oh, they did a female lead, they’re set; you know who REALLY needs a movie? STILT-MAN. Stilt-man needs a movie; what a compelling character you guys. Or, oh hey, Captain Marvel! What? No, not Carol Danvers, pssh, the guy Captain Marvel. Duh.
this is an awful confirmation that marvel studios just doesn’t care about female characters
all of the founding avengers except for jan have their own franchises. cap, who isn’t even a founding avenger, also has his own franchise. you know who doesn’t have a franchise? any female character in the mcu.
people responded to the jan news with ‘maybe she’ll get her own movie down the line!’
a) the way they’re setting up jan, she won’t. b) wake the fuck up. you really think MARVEL would do a SOLO WASP MOVIE? WASP, who they didn’t even deem fucking important enough to be in the TEAM SHE FOUNDED AND NAMED. you think /marvel/ would WILLINGLY do more than ONE female solo? they’re not. they’re going to close their eyes, pick one of the popular ladies for a female solo, half ass it, and not only use it as an excuse for the next decade- look, we DID do a female lead! once! 8 years ago!- but also point to it for WHY they won’t do another one.
we will get one female lead movie, not a female franchise. because marvel studios does not care about women. you literally have to HOUND THEM for them to even get CLOSE to admitting that maybe, MAYBE, SUPPORTING ROLES AREN’T ENOUGH FOR WOMEN?
let’s stop pretending marvel is a super progressive company now, please.